Indian i Bombay Marine

[Janusz Kluska]

Jeśli można to poproszę o podanie dat wodowania podanych poniżej jednostek typu"Baluchi"/TB-1 i jaki posiadały napęd:
TB-1 Baluchi wod. 1888
TB-2 Kahren wod. 24.09.1888
TB-3 Pathan wod. 23.10.1888
TB-4 Mahratta wod. 1889
TB-5 Sikh wod. 1889
TB-6 Rajput wod. 1889
TB-7 Gurkha wod. 1888.
Jak było z nazwami tych okrętów?
Wpierw było oznaczenie numeryczne, czy nazwy jednostek?
TB-1,2, 3 zbudowano w st.Thornycroft, TB-4,5,6 w stoczniw White, TB-7 zbudowano w st. Hanne ,Donald & Wilson?
Te dwie pierwsze stocznie budowały już podobne jednostki dla Royal Navy, to zrozumiałe ale co z ta ostatnią?

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Dokładne daty wodowania: nigdzie nie znalazłem. Wszystkie torpedowce zamówiono 31.8.1887. Niestety, to częsty problem przy torpedowcach końca XIX wieku - mimo wszystko była to "drobnica" (choć wielce moim zdaniem ciekawa!)

Napęd: compound expansion, TB1-3: 2 water-tube boilers. 1,300 ihp = 22kts; TB4-7: 2 locomotive boilers. 1,000 ihp = 21.5-22kts.

Nazwy: zamówione dla India Office / RIM z oznaczeniami TB 1-7, ale do Indii nie dostarczone, w 1892 przejęte przez RN (nadano nazwy jw.), w 1900 przemianowane TB100-TB106 (niedokładnie w ww. kolejności).

Stocznia: wg Colledge'a TB7 zbudowano u J. McArthur & Co. (również w Paisley), ale w dokładniejszej The Sail and Steam Navy List: All the Ships of the Royal Navy 1815-1889 (Lyon & Winfield) jest "Hanna, Donald & Wilson design and built". Owa stocznia zbudowała wcześniej jeden malutki torpedowiec dla RN (TB15 w 1879) i dwa dla Grecji (Δήλος i Σαπφώ, zwodowane 1.8.1878*). Oczywiście, było to doświadczenie nieporównywalnie mniejsze od takiego Thornycrofta, ale zawsze.

* Wg Hellenic Warships 1829-2001 zakupione w 1873, ale raczej bym zawierzył Anglikom.

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Bengal Marine

W 1842 Lt. J.H.Johnson , R.N. Controller
Iron Vessels
PHLEGETHON Liverpool 1840 500t 90nhp 2-32pdr
NEMESIS Liverpool 1840 600t 120nhp 2-32pdr
PROSERPINE London 400t 1840 90nhp 2-18pdr
PLUTO London 1840 450t 100nhp 1-32pdr

W 1841 jeszcze nie wymieniane
wyglada ze od razu byly w Bombay Marine a nie Indian Navy

W 1852-3 te parowce ciagle sa wymieniane
W 1858 tez

Wg raportu z 1858 wszystkie oprocz PHLEGETHON wyslane 1841 bezposrednio do Chin, a PHLEGETHON wyslany w czerwcu 1841 do Chin z Calcuty.

PLUTO istnial w 1859 -63 w Arracen, byl kompletnie przebudowany w 1851 roku
NEMESIS zamieniony na nowy parowiec otej nazwie, ktory w 1859 dostal nowe maszyny, ten stray nie istnial juz w 1856 roku
PHLEGETHON i PROSERPINE wymienaiane jeszcze 1856 ,nie ma ich 1858

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Hanna ,Donald & Wilson
Zalozona w 1816 jako Reid & Hanna
W 1851 James Donald zostal wspolnikiem , zostala Hanna & Donald
1870 Hanna ,Donald & Wilson
Stoczznia istniala tez jako Abercorn Shipbuilding Co.,
W 1895 stocznia zbankrutowala, ale dzialala dalej jako
Abercorn Shipbuilding Co.,, a maszyny budowano dalej jako Hanna ,Donald & Wilson

#40 (?) TB 15 (1879) RN
# 79 (?) TB 101 (1888) RN
#108 HMS FERVENT (1895) RN
#109 HMS ZEOHYR (1895) RN

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tocznia: wg Colledge'a TB7 zbudowano u J. McArthur & Co. (również w Paisley), ale w dokładniejszej The Sail and Steam Navy List: All the Ships of the Royal Navy 1815-1889 (Lyon & Winfield) jest "Hanna, Donald & Wilson design and built".

Abercorn SB Co., Pailsey
1888 TB steel 85t 1000ihp British

J.McArthur & Co , Abbotswich
nie ma zadnego TB w 1888

2 patent water tube boilers 1300ihp=22kts

No.1 mial proby 25.09.1888 22kts
No.2 mial proby 12.10.1888 23,156kts 96t
No.3 mial proby 13.11.1888 23,25kts 204.6lb

1 locomtive type boiler Triple expansion engine inverted direct acting cylinders 1000ihp
No. 7 mial proby 20.10.1888 20,5kts 180lb zbud Hanna, Donald & Wilson

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Był to 44-działowiec Protector, który pojawił się po raz pierwszy na liście Bombay Marine w 1749 lub 1751. W 1755 i 1756 uczestniczył w udanych atakach na pirackie twierdze. Prawdopodobnie przebudowany statek handlowy, w każdym razie z opisu owych walk wynika, że miał ciężkie działa, a artylerię rozłożoną przynajmniej na dwóch pokładach, więc chyba trochę przypominał 44-działowe dwupokładowce Royal Navy. Nie mam jednak podstaw, by potwierdzić jakąś dalej idącą analogię.
Krzysztof Gerlach

580bm
23.11.1751 launched Bird, Rotherhithe for EICo as fast heavily armed warship to deter pirates and the French Company in Indian Waterxs
18.1.1752 sailed form London for Bombay
28.8.1752 arrived Bombay
5.7.1758 converted to a fireship at Madras
1.1.1761 wrecked in a monsoon storm while at anchor in Pondicherry Roads

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NEMESIS - najbardziej chyba znany parowiec Floty Indyjskiej (ale w zasadzie Bengal Marine)

Allen's indian mail and register of intelligence for british and ... -
1855 -p. 162
Steamer Nemesis has been condemned, and her boilers and machinery are to be taken out and kept for some other vessel.

I tu pojawia sie zbudowany w 1858 roku (przez rzad, ale na razie nie wiem gdzie) nowy NEMESIS
405bm ton 120nhp (te ze starego) kosztem 160,595 Rupii

Zostal wkrotce przeslany do Birmy , gdzie sluzyl do 1879 roku.
Uzbrojony w 4-5 dzial.

Reszty szukam.

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podejzewam ze zbudowany w Kidderpore Dockyard w Kalkucie


Raport 1859
NEMESIS.

21. At the commencement of the year, Nemesis was getting her machinery and boilers fitted into her, and preparing for service.

22. On the 11th August, she proceeded to the Upper Provinces, and returned to Calcutta on the 22nd September.

23. Between this date and the 25th January, 1859, Nemesis was employed in this river as occasion required, when she was despatched to Akyab to relieve Proserpine, and she continued on the Arracan station at the end of the year.

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Kidderpore Dockyard w Kalkucie
wodowal 28.09.1859 parowiec Arracan dla Bengal Marine
1100t 300nhp (master P.Brett)
dla maszyn ze starego Tenasserim

25.03.1860 udal sie z transportem wojska do Chin
holujac tez transportowiec Queen of England

W 1860 podano juz
1099t 220nhp (master P.Brett)

Podawany ciagle w 1870 r.

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Kidderpore Dockyard w 1859-60 zbudowal
sea going steamer Arracan
Inland vessel Adjai (steamer)
Inland vessel Tonge (steamer)
Inland vessel Mor (steamer)
Inland vessel Megna (scargo boat)
Barge No 1. (in pieces from England)
Barge No 2. (in pieces from England)
Inland vessel Ganges (steamer) 2/3 in 1859
Inland vessel Jabona (steamer) 2/3 in 1859
Barge No 3. (in pieces from England, erected 1859 cpl 1860)
Barge No 4. (in pieces from England, erected 1859 cpl 1860)
Teesta lengthened
tug boat Winter's No.1
cargo boat Winter's No.1
cargo boat Winter's No.2
repaired Indian Navy Coromandel
repaired Indian Navy Dalhousie
repaired Indian Navy Punjab
repaired Indian Navy Victoria
repaired Indian Navy Zenobia

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transportowce

Armenian iron screw
789t 60nhp
purchased April 1859 for 2,20,000 rupes
Was employed in China until 5th January; she arrived in Calcutta on the 31st of January; was laid up and sold in February.
1861 not listed

ARMENIAN iron screw
1857 Richardson Bros #14, W.Hartlepool
944,37grt 789,67nrt 211.5x32.1x16.7
2 Cyl auxilary engine 100nhp
Apcar & Co. , Calcutta India
MNL 1861 Calcutta 140nhp QLSB
MNL 1867 S.A.Apcar, Calcutta ON30675 70nhp
1863 chartered as a trroop transporter India -> New Zeland together with Arratoon Apcar
1870 converted to sail
sold to Capitain David Fowler
1.5.1872 wrecked at Madras

Bentinck
2000t 520nhp
April 1859 for 2,20,000 rupes
Was employed in China until 26th January 1861 ; she arrived at Calcutta on the 6th February

1861, and has been laid up from that date
1861 dismantled & converted into a Hospital Ship

Bentinck ON 31146
1843 Wilson, Liverpool
941/1974 217.1x36.0x30.4 18'6"" dr." "
520nhp
24.6.43 Peninsular and Oriental S. P. Co. ,London
52 Peninsular & Oriental S. N. Co.
55 Peninsular and Oriental Co.

Tubal Cain

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MNL 1861
podaje
ON 30722 Manchester of H.M.,Indian Navy
157t 90nhp QMBD
wsrod statkow z Kalkuty

Manchester ON 24374
1851
157/271 139.8x19.6x11.7
7.4.53 R. Gardner ( 54MR; of Manchester ), Liverpool 54 - 55
1856 Calcutta ( India ) 58 MNL

Z rejestrow Liverpoolu mam
MANCHESTER # 152, 7/4/1853
Carvel built by Alexander Dutlue, builder's certificate 28/2/1853, owner Robert Gardner, merchant, Manchester, registered de novo Launceston 15/10/1853.

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CAMEL #332, 17/11/1865
Iron clench built, new, owner Andrew Wyllie, engineer Liverpool, sold to Indian government, Aug 1866.

Camel ON29973 iron paddle tug
1865 Liverpool SB#193
125/188 120.8x22.1x9.0
90nhp
1865 Liverpool Andrew Wyllie 66 - 71
1873 Bombay reg. (ULR'73)


CHARENTE #84, 4/4/1862
Iron clench built, new, owners Thomas(36), James(20) and Edward(8) Harrison, shipowners, Liverpool, sold to Indian Government 1862.

Charente ON44638 i.s.s.
1862 Laing, Sunderland
441/566 176.8x27.2x16.2
70nhp
1862 Liverpool Thos. Harrison & Co 63

The little steamer Charente, to be hereafter called the Amber Witch

1872 (327) Report from the Select Committee on East India Finance; together with the proceedings of the committee, minutes of evidence, and appendix.
Amber Witch lying telegraph at Kurrachee

1879-80 replaced by steamer "Patrick Stewart"

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The Mechanics' magazine and journal of engineering, agricultural ..., Band 79
1863
HENLEY'S INDIAN TELEGRAPH.

The Times states that the shi] I <...

Indian telegraph cablo from Mr. tory at North Woolwich is now in a< I The "Marian Moore," carrying 170 10 cable, left the Downs a few days ago f and is expected toarrivo at her dettiaat the end of November. The sailing Bhips "Assayo" and "Kirkham," moored alongside tlie works, are now receiving their cargoes of the wire, which is being rapidly coiled in the holds of both ships simultaneously by steam machinery constantly at work. The former vessel will carry about 360 miles, and the latter about 200 miles. The "Assaye" is well known at Woolwich, where she arrived fast year in companylwith the sister ship, the " Punjab," at that timo both paddle-wheel Bteamers. They were removed from Woolwich to the Victoria Docks, and were sold to a Liverpool firm, sinco which time they have both been ship-rigged and converted into sailing ships. Both are exceedingly fast sailers, and what is termed "clipper ships." Although fitted with powerful engines they performed the voyage under sail, at the rate (it is stated) of upwards of 10 knots per hour, and made the voyage homo in 75 days. They are both constructed throughout of teakwood. The "Kirkham" is an iron vessel, paintedwhite. The cable is coiled in largewater-tight tanks, three on board each ship, which will be kept full of water throughout the voyage to Bombay. They are expected to sail from Woolwich tho second week in September, and will be fully equipped with all appliances for paying out the cable at sea. The "Tweed" Gate the "Punjab") and the "Cospatrick" will follow tho two vessels, now alongside, and will take in 350 miles and 200 miles respectively. The latter-named ships aro being fitted at Poplar by Messrs. Wigram for the reception of the cable, under tho superintendence of Captain Dicey. The Charente," a screw steamer of about 600 tons, is being fitted by tho above-named firm for permanent employment on the lino, and will be supplied with all requisites for repairing tho cable, should any accident arise hereafter from ships' anchors, or any casualties to which tho wire must be subjected by exposure. Tho "Charente" will take out a small quantity of cable in addition to her coals. She will be commanded by Lieutenant Stifle, an experienced officer of the Indian Navy, who has rocently surveyed the Persian Gulf specially with regard to this important undertaking. The total longth of cable taken out for this line will amount to 1,250 miles, and will weigh upwards of 5,000 tons, being an excess of 2,000 tons over that of tho Red Sea, Malta, and Alexandria, or tho Atlantic. Tho wire alone of the present cable weighs 1,000 tons. The operations, which are under the direction of Lieutenant-Colonel Stewart, Royal Engineers, are expected to bo completed by the month of February next, when it is hoped that London and Calcutta will bo in telegraphic communication, by which a correspondence may bo conveyed from one hemisphere to the other in the course of a very few hours. Sir Charles Bright and Mr. Latimer Clark, the consulting engineers, superintending the manufacture of the cable, are attended by a competent and effective staff of electricians at Woolwich, who supervise and test the whole of tho work as it progresses. Tho "Gammelholm," a Danish storeship, arrived and moored off Mr. Henley's works at Woolwich on Saturday morning, preparatory to taking in a telegraphic cable for the Danish Government, which will weigh upwards of 15 tons per mile. Twentyfive miles of the electric wire have also been recently despatched from the same factory to Christiana for tho Norwegian Government.

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1871-2
Bengal Government
Undaunted - Andaman Islands
Celerity - unsafe in any sea
Nemesis - British Burma
Czarewitch - sailing transport
8 river vessels
4 pilot vessels
5 light vessels

Bombay Marine
Comet - Tigris
Amber Witch - Indo-European Telegraph Department
Clyde -gunboat dismantled
1874-76 rebuilt as survey steamer
Hugh Rose -gunboat - Political Resident in the Persian gulf
Quantung - steamer Political Resident in Aden
May Frere - despatch vessel
Dalhousie - despatch vessel
Constance - schooner surveying Persian gulf
Magdala- defence of Bombay
Abyssinia- defence of Bombay
Sind - steamer , only listed as repaired

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The India office and Burma office list
1888
Marine Department
Abyssinia Armour pölated S. turret ship 1874t 200hp 4-18t MLR 2 -1" Nordenfelts 2 -7pdr Bont Guns
Canning steel s. steamer 2454t 200hp
Tickler W.T.S . steamer 8t 10hp Bombay Torpedo Flotilla
Tigris Iron P.River steamer 100t 60hp Calcutta in reserve
Tamil Steel S. Steamer 92t Rangoon Torpedo Flotilla
??? 47t Assam For use of Chief Commissioner
Comet Steel P. Steamer - Bagdad . 116-77 Tone. 60 HP 2 Nordenfelt Guns 1st Grade Officer in Command TH
Gemini - Viceroy Yacht iron steamer 45 Tons. 20 HP Calcutta. Engineer in charge WJ Peterson
Muzbee - 92t 347hp Bombay Torpedo Flotilla Steel S. Steamer
Nancowry 70t 94nhp (?) W.S. steamer
Koladyne - Iron P. gun boat 245t 90hp Assam generaal Duty
CZAREWITCH, C. Troop Ship (Sailing). 045 Tons. Bombay — in reserve.
DALHOUSIE, Troopship. 1624 Tons. 800 HP Six 6-pdr. QF Guns Four 40-inch 5-barrel Nordenfelts. Bay of Bengal. Commander G. Wilson let Grade Officer
Condor Iron P. Steamer 51t 30nhp Assam
Hawk Iron steam launch 11t 12nhp
MINER, Iron Steamer. 64i Tons. 30 HP Karachi. Torpedo Flotilla.
SAPPER, WTS Steamer. Karachi. Torpedo Flotilla. 8 Tons. 9 HP
SIR WILLIAM PEEL, Iron P. River Steamer. 302 Tons.
MUZBEE, Steel S. Steamer. 92 Tons. 347 HP Bombay. Torpedo Flotilla. Gunner WJ Basden
NANCOWRY, WS Steamer. 70 Tons. 25 HP Port Blair. Tender to " Quangtung."
PANSY, Iron Steamer. 63 Tons. 22 HP Calcutta. Yard Craft Engineer G. Kelly.
QUANGTUNG, IP Steamer. 560 Tons. 150hp 6 -nine pdr MLR Guns, guard vessel, Port Blair
LAWRENCE, Despatch Vessel. 902 Tons. 1277 HP Four 20-pdr. RBL Gum Four 6-pdr. QF Guns Four -40-inch 6-tarrel Nordenfelts li( Grade Officer in Command RDP Junes laGde.
LARK iron steamer 53t 22hp Assam
IRRAWADDY, Iron, P. River Steamer. 614 Tons. 150 HP Two 20-pdr. BLR Guns Two 9-pdr. ML R. Guns Two 1-inch Nordenfelts Four 0-45 Gardner Guns Rangoon.
Ihelum
ELEPHANTA, Iron P. Tug. 127 Tons. 70 HP Bombay. Yard Craft.
JABOONA, Iron P. River Steamer. 237 Tons. 90 HP Upper Burma. 1j( Grade Officer in Command P. Downes Mate WE Jackson Engineer RM Beale

Sunamukhi
Sladen
Sir William Peel
Auckland
Canning - troopship Bombay 2245t 200nhp
CONDOR, Iron P. Steamer. 61 Tons. 80 HP Assam.
DALHOUSIE, Troopship. —Aden. 1524 Tons 300nhp six 6pdr QF four .40inch 5 barrel Nordenfeld
Dalhousie
Investigator Wooden P. Steamer 515 Tons. 16S HP Surveying Service, Bombay. S
Clive
ENTERPRISE, Iron S. Steamer. 610 Tons. 160 HP Burma. General duty. Commander ER Shopland 1st Grade Officer
Sarsuti
Tenasserim
" Bhamo," " Pagan," " Patrick," and "George.")