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: 2005-04-27, 13:24
autor: dakoblue
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: 2005-04-27, 14:21
autor: crolick
Znajcie dobra wole wujka. Widze ze sie meczycie to macie tu zdjecie :P
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: 2005-04-27, 14:38
autor: MiKo
crolick, a jakiś komentarz do tego zdjęcia? :P

: 2005-04-27, 14:50
autor: crolick
MiKo pisze:crolick, a jakiś komentarz do tego zdjęcia? :P
No widac przeswit. Jak byk 8)

: 2005-04-27, 14:57
autor: MiKo

: 2005-04-27, 15:51
autor: dakoblue
takie zdjecia to moja babcia nawet miala :D
daajcie cos blizej tego przeswitu :lol:

: 2005-04-27, 22:44
autor: janik41
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: 2005-04-27, 23:18
autor: MiKo
Z tych rysunków znów wiele nie wynika, a i mogą być obarczone błędem tego kto to przerysowywał z Włochów.

: 2005-04-28, 00:29
autor: crolick
MiKo pisze:Słabe były - Diaz tonął 6 minut po jednej torpedzie. Leander dostał Long Lance i nie utonął :D
Mikesz czytaj uwazniej :roll: Na str. 54 jak byk stoi ze dostal dwie torpedy co potwierdzili w 2004 nurkowie...
MiKo pisze:Tak na Diaz tak. Ale na Cadorna juz mniej:
:shock: str. 47 [dol]

: 2005-04-28, 07:32
autor: karolk
sorry Miko, niezbyt uważnie czytałem opracowanie i istotnie kocioł dziobowy ma fukcję dostaczyciela mocy szczytowej dla rufowej maszynowni, a system napedowy identyczny jak Zara, czyli raczej też dublowany, czyli wcale nie taki, jakiś przestarzały, w Elblągu wiszę Ci piwo :)
te wysokoprężne agregaty też mi wydają się ciut dziwne, ale raczej mi to wygląda na zasilanie awaryjne (jakby Ark Royal miał takie, to by se stał dzisiaj z Belfastem na Tamizie, nie :) )

: 2005-04-28, 08:28
autor: janik41
Na tym zdjęciu też nie widać prześwitu, mam też boczne w porcie w zbiżeniu też go nie ma.
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: 2005-04-28, 08:37
autor: MiKo
crolick pisze:
MiKo pisze:Słabe były - Diaz tonął 6 minut po jednej torpedzie. Leander dostał Long Lance i nie utonął :D
Mikesz czytaj uwazniej :roll: Na str. 54 jak byk stoi ze dostal dwie torpedy co potwierdzili w 2004 nurkowie...
Fakt było późno może coś mi się pokręciło... tak czy owak:

WWII Warship Cemetery Holds Italian Ship
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News
Nov. 30, 2004 — Italian explorers have found a huge warship cemetery off the coast of Tunisia, uncovering dramatic evidence of what Italian war historians call the "Battle of the Convoys."

About 277 ships sank during this battle, which took place in the Mediterranean during World War II.

"At that time, Italian troops were experiencing difficulties against the British army in the North African front. Thus Hitler decided to send there German reinforce troops," Pietro Faggioli, who led the "Mizar 4" expedition, told Discovery News.

"Lots of ships carrying supply convoys sank en route from Italy to the North Africa coast. Indeed, the British prevented the Axis moves in the Mediterranean as they managed to decipher the German Navy's communications," he said.

Among the wrecks found, Faggioli and colleagues decided to focus on the Italian cruiser Armando Diaz, which was torpedoed and sunk by the British submarine HMS Upright off the island of Kerkennah during escort service in support of a Tripoli-bound Italian convoy in 1941.

As the 5,000-ton cruiser went under, 464 crew died.

"This is the first Italian cruiser that has been found in the Mediterranean. Its sinking represents one of the most tragic episodes in the Battle of the Convoys," Faggioli said.

The cruiser, 160 meters long and 15 meters wide, was used to cover, in company with cruiser Bande Nere and two destroyers, an important supply convoy from Naples to Tripoli.

But in the early hours of Feb. 25, 1941, the submarine HMS Upright sighted the ships and fired four torpedoes. A torpedo hit the Armando Diaz between the first and the second tower, right where the ammunition was stored. The ship sank in six minutes after a huge explosion.

"We found the wreck, lying on the left side, the cannons headed toward (its) enemy. It was an impressive sight. A large part of the ship, about 30 meters, was completely pulverized by the explosion. The men of the crew who were in that area were dissolved. Nothing remains of them," Faggioli said.

Other sailors were trapped in different areas of the ship, their remains still lying on the sea floor. Only 147 sailors, who were in safer areas, survived. Faggioli's team left a plate by the wreck: "Italians did not forget you," it says.

There is no doubt that the cruiser is the Armando Diaz, since the divers took pictures showing the ship's name.

The discovery is also consistent with accounts from the historic archives of the Italian Navy.

"There was a first explosion, then a bigger, second one similar to a fire fountain. You could see pieces of the ship flying in the air. Then everything disappeared," said an official from the other Italian escort cruiser Bande Nere.

Faggioli and colleagues plan to uncover other ships on a second expedition next summer.


Strona 47 dół - nie wiem o co chodzi zobacze w domu.

: 2005-04-28, 08:41
autor: MiKo
janik41 pisze:Na tym zdjęciu też nie widać prześwitu, mam też boczne w porcie w zbiżeniu też go nie ma.
Na tym to raczej nic nie widać bo jest pod dużym kątem. Pokaż to drugie

: 2005-04-28, 09:16
autor: Zulu Gula
Może ten prześwit zabudowano w którymś momencie?

: 2005-04-28, 19:06
autor: Gość
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Powinien być widoczny chociaż odblask światła a tam ciemno jak już nie wspomne gdzie. :D

: 2005-04-28, 19:08
autor: janik41
Ten gość to byłem ja.